This discussion is worth repeating. Thanks to all for this high level and informative discussion. TINH (‘This Is Not Here’) has the first and last word. Admin
“…there is strong synergism between the Villager and the Café that could be all positive.�
TINH : “While I can find plenty wrong in the pages of the Villager (and the Bulletin, Courant, Reminder and any other newspaper out there), I’m a little befuddled by the comments made by ‘paladin’ and ‘Just asking,’ criticizing the Villager for being “greased� by the anti-school funds folk and for being a “biased and sensational trash piece.� The author of the original post, who I have seen criticize the paper (often with very valid points), seemed to agree with the news article on page one about the teachers but disagreed with the comments by the ‘Sound Off’ writer that he has dubbed “stupid.� The story on page one was written by a Villager staffer while the ‘Sound Off’ was written by someone from the area that is not on the paper’s payroll. Maybe I’m missing the point here, or maybe it’s just some of this site’s posters upset with the paper in general, but how is it the newspaper’s fault for being opposed to the school system when they send a reporter to write about the work put in by the teachers well before the first day of school? They’re not the ones writing the ‘Sound Offs’ about how the schools are evil and whatnot.�
Café: Commenters have criticized the Villager for the naiveté of the reporters and poked fun at one of the reporters (namely ‘Jennica Heifer’ :-)) for wanting to be played by Scarlet Johannson in “Hollywood Comes to Woodstock.â€? But in many articles the Café has also acknowledged significant improvement in the coverage by these reporters.
ReNews Writer: “Unfortunately people believe what they read and do not question the validity. It seems to me that the paper has some responsibility to screen and question what should go in print. They’re not obligated to publish any statements that clearly are simply untrue.�
TINH: “I agree that a newspaper’s duty is to be a responsible source for reliable and accurate information, but at the same time, having an opinion page where locals can write in is also a community paper’s duty. I have not followed the discussions and problems of Woodstock all that closely (I have no kids in the school system and am fairly new to town), but often those on one side of the argument disagree with everything the other side says, whether it’s a valid point or not. Democrats say Bush is a crazy war monger and will disagree with everything he says, and the Republicans will claim anyone opposing the war is “Un-American� and aiding the terrorists’ cause. It’s silly to me. I think the opinion pages of the newspaper should allow for those on either side of an argument to plead their case. If the editor knows a piece of information is wrong, they should attach an editor’s note correcting or clarifying. I have no idea if Mr. Bird does such a thing, but I would hope he would in the event of a blatant lie. Additionally, if a fellow reader catches a writer in a lie — call them on it. Send in a letter and correct them. Just don’t do it in a libelous or slanderous way that will prevent the paper from running the comments. I’ve seen towns where there have been bitter battles between the town and school departments and it is really silly. Granted, they’re all pulling from the same wallet, they need to realize what is good for a school is often good for the town and vice versa.
Café: Excellent points. We would like what you have described to be the case here at the Café as well – especially “if a fellow reader catches a writer in a lie (or a mistake), call them on it.�
Steve: To “anyone else who thinks the Villager is the spawn of Satan: If the information in the Sound Off is wrong, why not write a Letter to the Editor or a Sound Off with your information? If the Villager is hurting for submissions, as you claim, they’ll need something to print. Instead of using lines like “It’s unfortunate that the Villager will publish anything to just to fill space� and “The incompetence of this paper in spreading mis-information galls me,� why don’t you help them see the error of their ways? Maybe your thoughts will help them improve and become less of the “steaming cow pie� that others on this site believe it is.
ReNews Writer: “Thanks for the invite, Steve. In another case, one of us did respond to the Villager, and two weeks later this response showed up in the Villager. I think I would rather respond here at the Cafe where opinions, as diverse as they may be, can be expressed in a timely manner and are equally valid.�
Citizen Cain: “…if this criticism is viewed as constructive, perhaps the paper will improve because of it. If, instead, the Villager wishes to criticize the Cafe, they are welcome to do so in their own venue or here at the Cafe.�
TINH: “As Steve said, though, to bring up the quality of “Sound Offs� and letters to the editor, your opinions and comments need to be made to them. They’re not going to lift your thoughts off woodstockctcafe.com. It’s a weekly newspaper so obviously it won’t be as expedient as posting on a Web site that can be accessed and modified 24/7. The way I look at it, if you think something in your community is a problem and are only willing to complain about it on a Web site then what is that going to solve? Tackle the problem head on. Write a letter to the paper’s opinion page expressing your concerns. The paper comes out on Friday so they must have a Wednesday or Thursday deadline — so get your letter in on Monday or Tuesday and that may help get it in that week’s edition. It’s hard to put stock into your complaints here when you are unwilling to shoot a quick e-mail or letter to the newspaper’s opinion page to be part of the solution. Also, I don’t think the newspaper will be making mention of the Web site at any time soon. I don’t see them broadcasting the address for a site that often criticizes them to the general public that may not know about the site.
Café: We do not expect the Villager to use our site as a source of primary information for articles. Instead, we hope they will gain some insight about what lies beneath the information they are mining from the people they interview. As ReNews Writer said, if it takes two weeks for a retort, it seems pointless to even bother. I believe the Villager has a Tuesday deadline, but I’m not sure. Why not put our opinions here? Furthermore, we are not asking the Villager to advertise the Café. Visiting the Café is a completely voluntary act for 400-500 people now. We have no pictures except for silly links and we do not sell our space to advertisers. If any Woodstock official, Republican, Democrat, or other wants to present their case, they are more than welcome. However, unlike the Villager that insulates itself from the past on a weekly basis, people that express their views will get instant gratification or the opposite. And, we applaud ALL who have been willing to express their views.
Bowman: “I think ‘TINH’ and Steve have this spot on. The Villager, like just about any newspaper, has an editorial section where people are allowed to spout off all kinds of opinions; many of them incorrect. Just open the Globe and you will see what I mean. The above piece by ReNews was an effective (though somewhat verbose for an editorial) refutation of that view. I’ve seen complaints about the citizens of Woodstock being clueless yet many of you only sit here and complain about incorrect opinion pieces in the Villager. Maybe the staff of that paper does read this site, but that’s not the point. The point is how many who read the original editorial also read this site. I’m guessing a mere fraction. I’m not disparaging this site, but I’m trying to point out the reality of the situation. You are trying to win a battle on the political arena and that involves informing the voters of your views. The best way to refute an opinion piece in The Villager is to reach the same audience and this site for all its advantages cannot do that for you. The Villager can. It is a tool, use it. Thanks.”
Café: What makes you think that we just sit here and “complainâ€?. I admit, we are in a very small box and sometimes this makes us cranky. We are at meetings, we are in and at parties, we are on Boards, we are on and in Town Committees. We care. And, we express our views in support, as well as in non-support. I know some octo- and nonogenarians that don’t visit the Café… and they get all of their info about goings on in Woodstock from the Villager. Read the rest of this entry »