By the way, kudos to JK for posting the results before I could get home! ? (Truth be told I gave JK a head start because I had to go put gas in my Jeep.)
Well, I felt kind of stupid sitting in the meeting tonight. Had I had the information made available at the meeting I would have stayed at home and tended to other pressing family matters. (I know waah, waah, waah!) Enough of the whining!
The meeting was well attended – at least 90 seated and 20 out in the hall. The three Selectmen made at least two trips into the storage room across the hall for stacks of additional chairs. It was an interesting mix of people. Some faces were completely unfamiliar, others were better to well-known and then there were the diehard never-say-I-didn’t-let-you-know-how-I-feel set. Obviously, this was a matter of great interest to many.
Dawn Adiletta was nominated and approved by the body at hand to moderate the evening’s agenda. The ground rules were verbalized and we got down to the business for which we’d assembled.
The first two items were the adoption of two subdivision roads. The first was fairly well aired with several concerns and questions being raised about maintenance. Doug Porter responded as the developer of the Alpin Road development and five others in Woodstock. While the concerns voiced were certainly important, from my perspective it seemed like reasonable measures had been taken and were in place to address those issues.
One light moment of the evening came when Ms. Adiletta called for those in favor of adopting Alpin Rd. as a town road to vote ‘Aye’. An elongated pause followed her request for our votes and then, in unison (for the most part) the vote was cast and rather handily at that. The pause gave Ms. Adiletta a start, as I’m sure she momentarily thought us all deaf! After the look on her face was quickly replaced with what could only be described as relief, we all were able to enjoy the humor. If there were any ‘Nay’ votes I can’t recall.
Since all the ‘road’ questions had already been addressed, the second road, Tayler Trail was accepted without notice.
Then on to the meat of the night’s meal – the Farm Building Tax Exemption…
As you have all read my previous article, I don’t need to restate that it appeared to me to be a pretty open-ended financial drain on the revenue stream and the grand list. I had done my homework. I read the actual statutes and found no solace there. There were just a whole bunch of things I didn’t know about.
First I wasn’t really aware of this whole tax break committee (not sure on the actual title – no offense intended). The committee members were Diane Miller, Doug Young, Fred Chmura, Amy Vinyl, Reva Seybolt and Woodstock Assessor Rick Kryzak (Thank you Lisa Rapose for asking the members be named again. I didn’t get them all the first time.) Apparently, this committee has been meeting for some time.
The second thing I didn’t know ahead of time was that there are about $3.8 million in assessments of farm buildings in Woodstock. That figure includes around $2 million in the buildings of the dairy and orchard farms, who already the Dairy and Orchard Abatement. Something else I didn’t know.
So, the long and short of it is that there are probably only 35 +/- farms in Woodstock that would qualify for this tax exemption. The exemption would apply for buildings and would be UP to $100,000 per building. We were assured that not many buildings are assessed anywhere near that threshold. The only limit would be that the buildings would each have to be exclusively used for farming endeavors and couldn’t be applied to the farmer’s residence.
The assessments of the buildings would remain, so the Grand List would not be reduced. What would increase is the total dollar figure of exemptions. (NOTE – Need to check THAT number in the budget!)
The bottom line in the money column is that by bet estimates based on the current mil rate and based on there being 4,400 individual taxpayer accounts, the average increased taxes would be between $4 and $5.
I think the person who best expressed what I was sitting there thinking was Jim Kaeding, who brought several things to light. His emphasis was on having an open government. He noted that the minutes of the ‘tax break committee’ were not available on the website. He also noted that the minutes of the Selectmen’s meetings didn’t reflect the discussion with any detail about this issue either. He closed with the observation that the Selectmen had mailed out a letter to the farmers in town encouraging them to attend tonight’s meeting, but that letter did not go out to non-farmers.
Another ‘shout out’ to Lisa Rapose for questioning why the committee hadn’t made an information packet available for the meeting attendees. That certainly would have been helpful, not to mention if the information had been available AHEAD of time on the website!
There were other queries and the unfailing grousing. Then the question was called and seconded for a paper vote. That vote failed. Then we voted on the main question which then passed overwhelmingly. So, we now have a tax exemption for farm buildings and, by all accounts, it shouldn’t be that big of a financial hurdle as it may have seemed going into the building tonight.
PS – Please excuse any typos. I’m posting this and going to bed… I’ll fix stuff in the morning. – Becki
Why did we pass the roads? I thought this was a fiscally prudent town? No one lives on the roads yet, and the construction isnt done?
I’m a bit perturbed myself. I couldn’t get out of work till 9pm so couldn’t attend and no absentee ballots were available the day before. Did any of the farmers have this problem, I wonder?
I’m distraught to find out that only about 120 or so people (mostly farmers?) made the decision on this important issue for all the rest of us? This represents only about 3-4% of the voters. Is this a fair and broad representation of the town? Is there any ordinance stating that a certain % of voters must be present.
I am apalled that all the farmers got letters pertaining to this meeting and not the non-farmers. This is outrageous.
What was the reply to this question? Were any of Mrs. Wholean’s important questions answered? (I’ll quote her letter):
“Do farmers have a special need for this tax abatement?”
“What are the benefits to the town?”
“Is there a sunset provision?”
“Why were there no minutes on the website?”
“How much will this tax exemption increase the taxes for residential homeowners?” ($4-$5/year or per month?)
As an aside, why was this committees recommendations acted on with such ardence and fervor while the recommendations by MFATF have been basically ignored?
This was poorly done and a reflection on the Board of Selectmen who are appearing more and more as stand-ins for special interest groups.
Lastly, I have the same question as Daphne, why should the town be responsible for roads put in by irresponsible builders during a housing slump be expected to be serviced by the town when no one is living on them?
Thank you to Becki Leavitt, Jim Kaeding, Margaret Wholean, and Lisa Rapose for being the taxpayer advocates that you are! Much appreciated by those of us who were disenfranchised of our opportunity to vote!
If this tax abatement really does result in such a negligible increase (I believe $10/yr was mentioned last night as a “potential” number) to taxpayers, I have absolutely no problem with it.
I believe in the preservation of open space and assisting our local farmers and such an increase is acceptable to me.
HOWEVER… (See RC’s new article. Admin).
If I read the report from last nights meeting correctly…(see Ron’s new article. Admin).
The only thing I’m really skeptical about here with the farm building tax exemption is whether or not the tax increase will affect voters’ decisions when it comes time to vote for the 09-10 budget (yes, I’m already thinking about it and the official one for this year isn’t even on the school’s website yet).
Taxes will already be increasing due to the tax exemption for farm buildings. If the proposed budget for next year is larger than what we ended up with this year (which will very likely be the case), the taxes will go up further if it is approved, which I’m sure certain people would not want.
Yes, I’m in the Academy, and to quote Snuffy, my school gets “unchecked demands for cash”, but I DO care what happens to the lower schools since
1. I ride in their buses and buses are something I’m very concerned about,
2. I have friends in that system and care for their success, and
3. I care for my former teachers and other staff in that system who have to do a lot with not a lot.
Woodstocker - The $4/$5 dollars is the annual estimate per person. Margie was at the meeting but didn’t ask any of those questions. And, while there were definitely many farmers at last night’s meeting, I wouldn’t say the crowd was dominated by mostly farmers.
A Student - Its interesting that you have mentioned the districts buses. I have had a couple of inquiries in the last week or so about our buses and am presently working on an article for the Café. Stay tuned. On another matter, the current fiscal year BOE budget is available online at the WPS website. Once you get there, you need get the pulldown menu from the left tab under ‘district’, go to ‘Board of Education’ and select “Board Meetings Agendas and Minutes’. Once you are there you will see a list of links underneath the names of the board members. The current budget is the last of those links. Hope that helps and welcome to the world of civic responsibility.
Becki
Admin, I may be misunderstanding voting and approving dates, but if the packet you directed us to was approved on April 10, wasn’t that the budget that was first voted down, and is now invalid? It contains proposed school bus purchase information (page 52 in Adobe Reader), and since we ended up not getting those buses, shouldn’t that be changed, along with other cuts, including the additional teacher?
It makes sense that they’d be coming out with another packet containing the reduced budget.
A student - You sizzle! I’ll check it out. - Becki
If I understand this correctly, the BOS established a commission made up of farmers to recommend a tax break for farmers, then notified the town’s farmers solely to show up and vote it at the last meeting in August. Is this why they call it the “Manure Mafia”?
Reality Check is not bothered by this expenditure of $10/person which is about $80,000/Yr. But RC has put Ken Starr’s Whitewater investigation to shame with her relentless - and unjustified - diatribes against much smaller expenditures for lawnmowers, computers and - most mysterious to RC - empty bus seats she observed on buses driving away from the schools after completion the morning bus runs(!).
I think this is a job for RC, our own genetic cross between Ken Starr and Maxwell Smart.
RC is a DUPE for Preston Schultz. Way way back in this site, RC used to come on and just appear fairly sharp, but obnoxious. Now, she just toots the Schultze mobile horn. The unproven, unvalidated horn of Schultze.
A Student - I was able to drop in and speak to Mrs. Munroe this evening before the BOE meeting started. I asked her to clarify the budget question you raised and, indeed, your perception was correct. The budget online was not the budget that was approved by the voters. She did say that the approved budget is in the process of being put up on the website, so you should be able to access it soon. Hope this info helps! - Becki
Thank you for checking on that! I’ll be watching out for it.