from Con to WVG
Because of the Title to this main Comment, I’d like to stick to that subject: What exactly about the comment is “…just plain a lot of baloney, double-talk and whining…” as your comment had stated about “most” of Frank’s primary comment? A lot of us readers do actually think for ourselves, but you must back up your assertions like everyone else.
This is NOT a pattern of everyone ganging up on you because we disagree - it’s about making completely unsubstantiated, empty assertions about the merits of a Comment. We think for ourselves and require strong back up if a comment is to be taken seriously.
Whenever I make critical comments on certain other websites, I’m often set upon first by a Haughty Admin, then followed by most readers - however, those comments are almost always immature insults, personal attacks which have nothing to do with the merits of my comment or any of my assertions in a ‘point-counterpoint’ type back and forth. All to say, you may feel similarly ’set upon’, but you won’t be insulted by me nor will I make any personal attacks. ‘Ad Hominem’ may be over-used, but does describe much of it: “…an argument which links the validity of a premise to a characteristic or belief of the person advocating the premise.”
I’m asking for an argument from you ‘which links the validity of a premise’ to the actual subject matter and proves it out - I’m not linking anything to your apparent dislike/vindictiveness toward Frank C.
But blanket statements like yours are next to meaningless if you don’t back them up with facts, etc. If you don’t support your assertions then you DO appear merely vindictive and showing sour grapes.
Powers & Schultz have gone ’straight to lawsuit’ time and again (or Administrative Action, or Complaint with some Authority or another - ALL costly to Taxpayers) and Frank and many of us ask legitimate questions about HOW IS IT WORTH THE COST!?!
So, WVG, please illustrate for us on a point-by-point basis what about his initial Comment is ‘baloney’ or ‘double-talk’ etc. I have made a contribution illustrating clearly and with historical events how I see matters (including an admission that I may be wrong, but nothing has come to light to change my mind) - and that was merely ONE Costly ‘Event’ out of many.
Currently on woodstocktruth.com there appear many mocking and sarcastic comments about how current Administrators/Decision-makers first turn for legal advice (and about how costly and unnecessary it all is) - yet as is their fashion, they do not mention even the Possibility that Town Officials are so Gun-Shy primarily because of that groups ’straight to lawsuit’ mentality, which they have proven time and again they are willing to do REGARDLESS of how much it cost Taxpayers (and then they later - in the height of hypocrisy - whine about the high costs and then blame everyone but the party who INITIATED the matter).
Thanks




Frank Corden was a formidable opponent for some of the provocative idiocy and nonsense that at times the school system was (and still is) subjected to.
I think Frank did a lousy job on the Board of Education. You and your crew love to whine and carry on and on and on and on about anyone who dares to question people like Frank Corden or has an opinion that conflicts with your own.
The actions of those who made the Board of Education more accountable to the voters are commendable. If they further forced Frank Corden off the Board of Education, that’s a good thing in my opinion.
Then we have your gang here making meaningless statements (not only are they meaningless, they’re just plain wrong) that Frank “chose to not run” which aren’t backed up with any facts and you don’t seem fit to whine about that? What is it with you?
I have made repeated requests for Frank (who is never at a loss for words) to explain himself and he continues to remain silent. I don’t see you whining about that either “con.”
You might try to be less wordy in the future. I honestly didn’t even read all of your blather here and I highly doubt many others did either.
Woodstock Valley Girl -
Huh!?! You lost me, Valley Girl. You are all over the place, except you seemed to have willfully missed the part where I said “Stick to the ONE subject” and that part where I raised my Valid, Strong, Defeating, Juggernaut of a CHALLENGE TO YOU. You found a funny way to dodge my challenge, WVG…
NOW: Rest assured - I KNOW you think Frank did a lousy job (I think at this point we ALL know this opinion), HOWEVER, that little opinion has NOTHING to do with my comment to you. Zero.
So what’s with your unwarranted hostility? Did I run over your cat and I don’t know it? I apologize! Let’s shake and be freinds, Valley Girl, while we continue our discussion regarding ‘Where is Your Back Up for Your Assertions?’
I was clear that I was NOT talking about Frank Corden; I was clear that I make NO negative assumptions about you based on your obvious sour grapes toward him. We deal in IDEAS and ISSUES here - Insults and personal attacks are down the hall, please (though we’d love for you to stay and do the work required to Counterpoint those Points with which you disagree - WITH BACK UP).
“Where are the Facts to Support YOUR Premise?”, WVG - THAT is what you call ‘wordy’? You “honestly” didn’t read all of it, but label it ‘blather’? (now if you don’t include the word “honestly” from now on, should we infer that your NOT?)
You say you didn’t read all the comment? WVG - WHAT are you doing here, then? I just don’t get it? I do know that if you are going to continue making assertions you will continue to be challenged to back them up. Your failure to do so is quite illustrative, but I’d still rather hear your comprehensive answer.
You contradict yourself, you switch subjects mid sentence almost and you fail to FOCUS! whatsoever on my challenge to you. You say you didn’t read all of my comment, but feel qualified to call it ‘blather’? WHY the uncalled for insult? You take me to task for NOT ‘whining’ alongside you regarding your perception of Frank’s continued silence? Again: HUH!?!
I have no idea where your hostility comes from and I especially have NO idea where you get the impression that you know ANYTHING about me - but let me set you straight, Valley Girl - you don’t know anything about me except the words I put on the page - that’s it! Your numerous faulty assumptions illustrate lazy thinking and an angry person searching for someone to blame for - what, exactly!? - what are you so angry about and WHY lash out when challenged legitimately?
SO - Yes, I am wordy, but I don’t throw insults around nor fixate on a someone I wish to discredit while alienating those with whom I interact. Let’s try it again (and let’s forget Frank Corden):
WOODSTOCK VALLEY GIRL,
Your comment is full of unsubstantiated, angry Opinions refuting a comment that costly legal proceedings initiated by Powers and Schultz are, in fact, bad for this Town. Please - WHERE ARE THE FACTS TO SUPPORT YOUR PREMISE!?!
Respectfully submitted.
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It’s fairly obvious you didn’t read all of Con’s post, WVG, based on the one you just wrote. Instead of asking Con to be less wordy, perhaps you should be more thorough in keeping up with argument before you post.
I personally have no problem with those that have an opinion other than my own. However, quality arguments utilize facts to support their opinions. For example, you’ve said Frank did a lousy job. Now use some facts to back that up. You’ve made statements about Frank’s double-talk in his post. Include some quotes from his post that support this argument.
I’d give you more suggestions on how to support an argument, but I don’t want my post to be too long and lose your attention.
Con, you rant on an on and on and on, so much so that I’m not going to bother wasting my time reading your post here. Please strive to be more brief and stop wandering all over the lot with your rants.
Treacher, Frank made it a habit of complaining that the Academy took too many resources away from the elementary and middle schools after being brainwashed by the likes of Lindsay Paul and Kevin Ford. That’s one reason of the many I say he did a lousy job on the Board of Education. I really don’t need to give lengthy explanations to you or any of Frank’s other disciples. I’m entitled to my opinion and I’m also entitled to my freedom of speech which does not have to be backed up with pages upon pages of blather.
Ms. V.,
Of course everyone is entitled to their opinions and has free speech but it’s a bi-directional street. If you choose to offer your opinions, expect to be questioned. It never ceases to amaze me when people imply their freedom of speech is somehow being infringed upon when their ideas are questioned.
As for the idea that I somehow brainwashed Mr. Corden that’s a bit ridiculous on its face. He was on the board for four years before I was even on the scene. I personally have always believed that their needs to be mutual cooperation between the Woodstock Academy and the WPS and in this last year in particular there have been great strides made in that direction. I would hope that individuals in the community would be looking for ways to help us work together instead of looking for ways to pry us apart.
Thanks,
Kevin
This post represents my personal opinions and in no way should be considered an official act of the BoE or that I am speaking on behalf of the BoE in any way.
WVG…Frank Corden was elected and served a few years prior to Lindsey Paul and Kevin Ford joining the BOE. So how do you feel he was “brainwashed” by them? In the years that I served on the BOE with Frank, he proved himself as an independent thinker, held strong beliefs and was a very dedicated public servant in every sense of the word. When Frank was first elected to the board I was suspect of his agenda and motivation since he was a part of the faction that was challenging the two Republican incumbents on the board. In time I was proven wrong. I have nothing but the utmost respect the man.
Why, Woodstock Valley Girl.
1) Where are the facts to support any of your assertions? (If you are going to Dodge that challenge yet again, please do your best to be Honest about your inability to put your money where your mouth is?).
Also, thanks for illustrating my point about immature Insults, Personal Attacks and other manner of grade-school level discourse. You have become quite predictable (I guess part of that is because you post the same comment over and over and over…)
Can you repeat your comments yet another time? I think it would be great if you reached 7 straight comments full of these angry little slogans and sour grapes opinions. We like the 8th grade thinking, too (where you hold your hands over your ears and shout the same silly statement over and over…).
2) Thank you for the patronizing instructions of what I should or should not do! Can you instruct me in all aspects of my life? I mean, I had NO Idea that you were somehow Superior! You must be one of those “TRUE” Americans I keep hearing about - the one’s who are able by right to Judge the rest of us. Excuse me, your highness, for my comments challenging your silly-sounding rants - I should have know it was merely the expression of a Royal Tantrum. You sound just like the Judgmental radio shock jocks who have ‘little man complex’.
By the way:
Where are the facts to support any of your assertions?
3) It’s fun to be a ‘Troll’, right? Easy, too. Problem is, you will need to change your name AGAIN (What was your first name, brave one?) because people bore easily when faced with childish comments whose purpose is to provoke argument. THAT IS - You are now boring everyone. Try Backing Up Your Assertions; AND hitting a different Key - so far the substance and merits of you’re comments are earning you just so many admirers.
4) Empty Slogans and Ignorant Opinions! Wow - someone should have thought of that! Woodstock Valley Girl (prob the last day you choose to use that name to Troll, huh?) - It’s just SO refreshing to read writing of such High Intillect, Deep Wisdom and Maturity! Why, your kind of slogans and ignorant, repetitive and biased opinions are just so original - we never see that kind of empty rhetoric these days when there’s already far too much divisiveness in OUR great nation!
Hey Valley Girl”- define, state, list, elaborate on your statement that Frank Corden did a “lousy” job on the BOE? What are you talking about?
Hey Valley Girl- without going “on and on and on and on and on” as you say, I’d like to just repeat your above quote: “Frank made it a habit of complaining that the Academy took too many resources away from the elementary and middle schools after being brainwashed by the likes of Lindsay Paul and Kevin Ford. That’s one reason of the many I say he did a lousy job on the Board of Education.” And to your quote, I say, that you spew “blather” and don’t know the difference between subjective and objective. Now go and be a good person, and look those words up!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29
treachref, You’re right, he was there before Paul and Ford, back before he lost his way. I helped him out when he petitioned for a primary back in ‘01 (and lost) and used to think quite highly of him but he became a huge disappointment once he became brainwashed. I used to like him being on the Board of Education and now I don’t which is opposite of you who didn’t like him at first but once his brainwashing was complete, you’re now one of his disciples. I can guarantee that you and I have very few if any political views in common.
random, blow it out your ass, will you? In my opinion, he did a lousy job and you and your buddies can continue to demand that I give a 2000+ word “con-style” explanation, complete with photos that have circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back but that isn’t going to happen.
con, I don’t read anything you post anymore because you continue to babble on and on and on after I’ve asked you repeatedly to keep it brief. You can continue to post your blather and I’m going to continue to not read it so don’t expect me to respond to you.
Speaking of trolls, I think I’ve posted this here before. It’s pretty fun to read.
http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/troller.htm
Thanks,
Kevin
This post represents my personal opinions and in no way should be considered an official act of the BoE or that I am speaking on behalf of the BoE in any way.
WVG: So apparently you didn’t like the job that I was doing on the BOE and you worked to get Mr. Corden et. al. on the ballot to oppose me and another gentleman on the board. I remember not only winning at the Republican Caucus earlier that summer, but also defeating them (the challangers) in the Primary Election…on Sept. 11, 2001. A day that no one should ever forget. Your revelation of having supported Mr. Corden in that Primary Election is very interesting. I really would love to know what kind of brainwashing was done to Mr. Corden? Was it like in the “Manchurian Candidate?”
Woodstock Valley Girl,
Thanks for reading what I wrote, though you vowed not to, and then responding to me, after you vowed not to. Are you NOT reading this? I can’t wait to not hear your response - BYW, Can I ask you:
Where are ANY facts to support your assertions?
That, plus you still haven’t explained - per my edict - WHY you are so very angry? Must be a Troll…
Woodstock Valley Girl,
Um, Where are the facts to support your assertions?
Kept short to please Your Highness - please reward me with praise - coming from you (who’s unbiased, mature and really well-balanced Opinion is just so damned well-respected around here) it would mean a lot…
Actually treachref, I don’t even know who you are, I simply supported Frank in 2001 because I got to know him that year and I was impressed with his ideas and what he’d bring to the Board of Education. Nothing personal against you, I was supporting someone who I had become friends and political allies with that year and a few years after that. As I mentioned though, over the years he lost his way and I have since become very disappointed with him.
con, I see posts by you but once again, I’m not reading them so you may as well stop wasting your time.
I note that WVG’s writing style is very similar to …. (deleted by Admin).
Thanks, Doubtful. We don’t think so … and more evidence would be needed. Admin
Woodstock Valley Girl,
Yes, Maam/Sir - I am complying with your directive, but need your highness to clarify:
May I please continue to post on this site? On ANY site? Am I allowed to go outside?
Also, WHERE are the facts to support your assertions? Your very clever dodge of holding hands over ears shouting “I won’t read your post!” isn’t working. You’ve told me 4 times now that you haven’t read a post you would have had to read in order to say you didn’t read it - there! now I sound like you! Good work.
As far as your little tiff with Frank - I’m not saying you’re coming across as extremely defensive, but how is it that you remained pristine while it’s the other person who has supposedly become ‘brainwashed’. By definition, if it’s just the two of you then there is no unbiased person to Judge WHO has been brainwashed and who hasn’t.
But since your not reading this, I lament that you won’t reply. In fact, I’m just playing into your hands and falling for your tricks by even engaging as a ‘Counter-Troll’, or maybe that funny cartoon Kevin posted the link to would say that I’m ‘Feeding the Troll’. Can’t help myself - in the face of such lazy logic and weak rhetoric, I get fixated…
SO - Woodstock Valley Girl - as the puppet on your highness’ strings, let me ask: Where are the Facts…?
Awww, c’mon Admin, who does “doubtful” think I am? No need to delete her post. The funny thing is I’ll bet I don’t even know who it is that she thinks I am! Too funny!
con, once again I’m not reading anything you wrote but my guess is that all you’re doing is making yourself look like a foolish troublemaker. Quit while you’re behind, will ya? I think the Admins would appreciate that very much.
WVG, if the admin allows you to tell me to “blow it out my ass”, then I can safely say the following: you are indeed, one of the stupidest, -sounding submitters I have ever read on this blog. I pity your family.
Ramdom, I pity anyone who has the misfortune of having to interact with an arrogant ass like you. You are indeed one of the stupidest people I’ve ever seen post on this blog.