from Con
Just to clarify, you (Newcomer) first say that “the issue must ALWAYS remain between each individual woman and her God…and her Church” and “At no point in the decision is there EVER a place for the U.S. government to force a choice on a woman.” I haven’t heard any argument that the Government is forcing a choice directly on a woman – in what way is that happening?
The argument I’ve heard is that by including contraceptives in what is covered by the insurance provided through employment, the CHURCH is being forced by the Government to effectively pay for those contraceptives because they are paying the premiums (even though conservatives always argue that such expenses are actually and in fact paid by the EMPLOYEE because it is passed through in every instance – that would seem to defeat the argument in it’s tracks, but I understand that’s not the case because the Church is the one making the insurance premium payments – just wanted to illustrate yet another way these arguments can so easily be turned on their head by repeating exactly what is said in other arguments).
Anyway, in what possible way is the Government FORCING a choice directly on a woman? She is employed, has coverage that includes contraceptives and it’s her choice whether to use her insurance to purchase contraceptives, right? Or are you employing the argument that I outlined above, that she is really the one paying for OTHERS to purchase contraceptives against her conscience? The first part of your first paragraph is confusing in that way. Anyway…
The manner with which you framed your argument demands that I first accept certain of your buried assumptions upon which your conclusions rely – the sophists used to do this to good effect, but it’s not a valid method of debate and has been exposed to be ‘intellectually dishonest’. The classic example of a ‘forced assumption’ is the lawyer asking the defendant in the witness chair “Yes or no – do you still sell heroine to grade school children?”. I do not accept certain of your assumptions, as I will describe. First, let me stress that I believe that whenever someone makes a truly ‘blanket’ statement like Mary did (and you do a little in your comment), it is incumbent on anyone involved in the debate, no matter what side, to keep the debate honest by challenging such statements. Read the rest of this entry »












