From AnonyFriend
It’s not really capitalism, though, is it? It’s more like a socialism-supporting-corporations-in-the-guise-of-a-free-market-ism … and these corporations are too backbone-of-our-economy to fail. NASA “privatizes” the space effort, but those “private” corporations that supply NASA are still receiving public funding. The military relies on many “private” corporations to create the weapons and supply the war machine, but those companies are also receiving and depending on public tax revenue. What is most amazing is that the citizens continue to go along with these anti-socialism slogans while they’re supporting and even working for corporations that are funded mainly through taxes. The wealthy have taken over the government to the point where the politicians are able to precisely funnel a certain percentage of public funding to whichever CEO they want. It’s got to be the most perverted and corrupt socio-economic system in history … analogous to a starving slave being forced to slice off parts of their own body to eat while performing work that the master devalues daily. US workers are all a kind of Prometheus.
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I am AMAZED that the beautiful artificial turf field (as part of the Bentley Athletic Complex Expansion) receives stimulus funding while at the same time, teachers receive LESS funding. That certainly is a beautiful athletic field (BRAVO, Woodstock!). But at a time when our children’s education is receiving the highest priority and the least support, it also appears to be a community-based slap-in-the-face to all teachers and the educational system itself. Our nation is calling teachers to account at the same time that it gives them less educational resources, lower salaries and less benefits. The painfully obvious result of this pressure is that soon there will be less teachers who were born and educated in the USA.
This seems to be part of the corporate conservative world market thinking: get rid of local workers and “allow” lower-wage worker “immigrants” to take their place. This is really the philosophy of the corporate conservative (mostly Republicans, but also too many Democrats) and when Reagan made amnesty the policy of the USA, reaching out to essentially any and every one of the millions of Central and South Americans who could make it across the USA’s southern border without being caught (or dying), the lowest wage-earning US citizens were put out of work, unions were weakened, and the minimum wage was rendered meaningless for all time (or until immigration laws are appropriately enforced at the federal level). It shows the future that is intended by corporation-controlled politicians: get ready for your kids to be taken care of by immigrants, taught by immigrants, treated by immigrant health care workers, marginalized and replaced in the work force by immigrants, managed by immigrants and ultimately politically-controlled by immigrants. Let’s face it, immigrants are people too and they need a society to disrupt (payback’s a bitch). I feel certain that most of the CEO’s currently in control of our government are NOT US citizens…or at least they wouldn’t be able to run for President…YET!
So let me see if I have this straight. The Woodstock Academy football program will lead to massive immigration, worker displacement and foreign CEO’s will become President?
Gosh Damn. I sure hope that the Academy Board of Directors thought about that!!
Who said anything about football?
Oh, now I understand. LibDem must be upset because she is from a different country. Please LibDem, in order to understand these words, which are written in the English Language, YOU will need to read and comprehend in reverse order (since that’s obviously how you’re twisting these English Language words), which must be more appropriate to whatever is your foreign language.
And…how could you possibly be unaware of the current massive illegal immigration problem and especially the vast displacement of US workers by outsourcing combined with the increasing of foreign worker quotas? Oh, right – you’re not from this country…so you’re used to getting less even though you’re working more (if you’re actually WORKING at all). Thanks for contributing to the degradation of our economy.
“teachers receive LESS funding.”
“Our nation is calling teachers to account at the same time that it gives them ……lower salaries and less benefits.”
Neither of these things are happening in Woodstock.
AnonyFriend:
Your original article was incoherent. Your attack on the first person who pointed that out was nonsensical and hostile.
I can’t tell what you’re trying to accomplish here. You want to talk about immigration? OK, what does that have to do with NASA or stimulus funding?
If you have something to say, think it through and make your point. We’re trying to listen, don’t make it impossible.
AnonyFriend-
Your penchant for conspiratorial hysteria, xenophobia, and angry accusations are better suited for a right wing audience. If you are not more careful, you might get lectured about sophism.
Sophistry won’t change reality. I hate Anony’s message too, but s/he’s only the messenger. The clouds gathering are too terrible. Has no one else here had the feeling that the US making war on Iran is next?
Don’t you all know that being AT WAR is not supposed to be the status quo? Don’t you see that our leadership (both parties) have colluded with those who make money, not real products and/or services, and have appropriated “war” as what they think is the perfect hedge against economic collapse? The idiots saw it work with WWI and WWII so they think all they have to do is keep us at war and we’ll stay ahead of the avalanche. But we won’t.
Our illusory growth based on paper cannot continue; the 1% know this; they distract us with minor issues like abortion, women’s rights, Greece, and of course, the wars, hoping they’ll get theirs and get out before the deluge. But their game plan is already failing – the Greek people don’t want to play the game anymore, probably because they worked hard and didn’t get enough of the spoils, but never mind the reason. They want to riot, not play nice. Greece is unwinding – the first domino.
limpdumb, you’re incoherent, nonsensical and hostile as well which actually is no surprise as you are an expert at attempting to deceive people. Fortunately no one here is buying your propaganda.
*WARNING* Please only read this if English is your native language or you are in this country legally (I’m not a racist, I just don’t want to promote criminal behavior). Oh, also, this particular post is not meant for anyone who is not able to read above an eight-grade level for at least five minutes at a time (hopefully that includes everyone who is old enough to vote).
Originally part of the commentary on how Republicans are dragging our nation down by blocking any legislation that might make Obama look good, this post was meant to clarify …(see AnonyFriend’s new article. Admin).
Diane can you give us some examples of the idiots who colluded with those who make money and saw war as a hedge to economic collapse in WWI&II? I am just trying to understand your argument.
Loadstar,
It’s downright refreshing to read your post #8 above because it is so well versed in The Facts, makes such an elegant, logical and reasonable argument, leaves all personal, immature feelings aside and addresses ONLY The Merits of the given Issue. Well done!
I’m also greatly impressed at your continued claim of a heightened level of Mind-Reading for ALL OF US and your firm confidence that you speak for us all as well.
I mean, golly gee, Loadstar – without such insightful comments that utterly leave your personal feelings aside and apply the very best that Argument, Rhetoric, Logic and Reason bring to bear on any given subject or issue, I think all of us damn, dumb, dirty sheep would simply be lost without you!
THANK YOU! Please continue on your One-Note hyperbole, your One-Trick Pony Ad Hominem BS and highly impressive illustration of such a massive intelligence brought to bear on us mere children, we neophytes, who could never even know where to begin without your puerile little attacks.
I do wonder what a comment by Loadstar would look like SANS Personal Attack, Ad Hominem and/or Personal Insult – including the truly SILLY, as in ridiculous, re-naming of anyone who dares disagree with the Mighty Loadstar, the Child-Savant (that ‘savant’ part being largely in his super-human ability to actually pretend he doesn’t know just how silly his messages come across to Adults in the room).
Is this kind of thing all that’s left for you now, Loadstar? That’s rather sad and is hard on the heels of purely pathetic – it’s most certainly IMPOTENT. Carry on, though!
Hey Admin – LibDem’s pickin’ on LoadStar again!
“Diane can you give us some examples of the idiots who colluded with those who make money and saw war as a hedge to economic collapse in WWI&II?”
That is not what I said. I said that the idiots, today’s idiots, saw how WWI and WWII rescued economies from downward spirals, the Great Depression, in the case of WWII, and that they are trying to do the same thing with our current economic collapse. To make this work, they’ve jumped from war to war, trying to “stay ahead of the avalanche”. Next war, Iran. Unless we stop the sobs, we the voters by changing the membership in Congress, NOT the presidency (we all see how miserably Obama failed at stopping the wars – he’s just substituted one for another), we will continue to be stuck spending billions upon billions of dollars with nothing but dead soldiers and enemies abroad and enriched pockets for the military-industrial complex partners to show for it… while inflation eats away at the value of OUR dollars and debases OUR standard of living.
I have to disagree – I do not believe we entered these wars to pump up the home economy because we could have done that with alternatives like mass transit and public education spending. Public spending is public spending. That said, I do believe efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan were misguided.
Further to JTO’s thoughts -
AND far from pumping up the economy with these wars the huge losses of tax dollars due to Defense Contractors and individual contractors is unprecedented in American war. Defense Contractors are responsible for either defrauding, stealing, wasting or vastly over-charging Billions and Billions of tax dollars (and we’ve yet to see any accountability whatsoever).
There are numerous studies, investigative reports, shows like “Frontline”, etc. enumerating the enormous amount of tax dollars that have been taken by fraud and misrepresentation, stolen outright, wasted on a huge scale and over-charged by any reasonable measure. Examples abound in these studies, reports and shows. We could sure you those Billions and Billions of tax dollars now – and we could have prosecuted those wars in the same or better manner without those dollars having been spent.
Much of it results from the revolving door of high-level employment (and Boards of Director membership) by and between Congress, The White House, The Pentagon and these War Profiteers.
The whole thing represents a new and complex manner of War Profiteering (when it used to be so simple – and almost as simple to hold those responsible to account).
Con, I cannot dispute what you are saying. War profiteering goes back to the Revolution, the Civil War, WWI, WWIi, Korea, the Cold War, Vietnam and certainly the “War on Terror” since 9/11. And maybe it is worse now, I don’t know.
Eisenhower, who won the European war in WWII, and oversaw development of the modern national security complex at the height of the Cold War in the 1950′s, famously warned of the military industrial complex that he believed had gained undue influence over the government. Harry Truman, who dropped the big one, then engineered the European recovery and initial coordinated defense of Europe through establishment of NATO, first rose to national prominence as head of a congressional committee investigating profiteering in WWI. this was a serious problem in the civil war as well, and created the first arms manufacturing and railroad barons.
But there is another side to this coin. When the government needs very rapid development of weapons and technology,this industry has served us – and of course, very profitably.
When Lee surrendered at Appamatox, avoiding a massacre of his tattered tensing army, it was just after his cavalry, his eyes and ears, led by JEB Stuart, exported back that the supply trains ran20miles behind Union lines, and continued as far as the eye could see. When Yamamoto, who had traveled throughout the U.S., warned the Japanese General Staff about attacking Pearl Harbor on the premise that they could destroy the American fleet, he knew it could be replaced quickly,because he understood the productive capacity of the American manufacturing and economic systems. Sure enough, by the End of WWII, Kaiser Shipyard was dropping Liberty ships, at the pace of one a day, into Oakland Bay t Alameda,fittin them up in San Francisco, and shipping them full of men and munitions to Okinowa. At Tunisia, Rommel used his last few aircraft for reconaissance, and took photos of the American supply ships, stretched 30 miles out to sea at the port of Oran, then flew personally to
Berctegarden, showed the photos to Hitler, who responded by ordering the abandonment of the African campaign. And of course, we supplied munitions and materiel to the British, Russians and Chinese all through the war.
Then there is my favorite story. When George Marshall was delegated the task of converting the U.S. economy to a war production footing, he called in the three major car company chiefs to discuss converting their plants. He presented their options which were to (a) convert the plants on a for profit basis and maintain a civilian workforce; or (b) have the plants seized by the government and all of their employees, including them, drafted into the army to work for him. Needless to say, they took the first option.
Anyway, that’s the other side of the coin.