From Con
Thanks (to Loadstar) for pointing that out with such humble civility, for keeping the issue discreet to the one comment where it belongs and most especially for keeping the discussion civil and not indulging yourself in any tendency to personalize matters (though to correct you on one small point – I don’t wonder why you lose your patience; not at all.
You see, I don’t think about you much at all except when addressing you or reading your posts – wherever did you get such a whacky notion that I ‘wonder why you lose your patience with me’? Why would you ‘bet’ that I see absolutely nothing wrong whatsoever with my own behavior’? I ask seriously and I’d be very interested in your serious answer, if you can spare the time, please.
Totally unrelated, but I Note your use of: ‘absolutely’ and ‘whatsoever’ in same sentence – it reminds me of these fascinating studies regarding the over-use of Superlatives and related trends and usages when certain types express themselves – most especially when they feel a compelling need and desire to be believed AND to be Right. We all know the type can probably think of someone who is a sort of “Cognitive Conservative” – absolutely must be Right, cannot stand to be wrong and when making their case they rely on the only tool in their possession they believe can actually ‘Force The Outcome’, which is Language (the actual Facts & Circumstances simply being what they are).
So The University of Wisconsin Psychology Dept. (I believe) conducted a series of these Studies of the over-use of and heavy reliance on Superlatives; the heavy reliance on Hyperbole; the tactic of repetitive, excalating statements (which, of course, end up using so many Superlatives and so much Hyperbole the penultimate and last statement are often so over-the-top that you can almost imagine the writer struggling to keep them from simply sounding hilarious or satirical rather than their series attempt TO BE BELIEVED! and taken seriously).
I wish I had an internet link – these studies and results are so very interesting and really should be made know to anyone who: tends to constantly over-use Superlatives, rely heavily on platitudes and cliche’s, use Hyperbole to an extreme extent and repeat the same assertion over and over as though each progressive statement reinforced the previous right up to the point where the writer seems to have thus convinced himself/herself, at least, that the statement is actually A Fact, rather than the mere assertion of Opinion that it is.
These Studies produced VERY interesting results that, in part, illustrate latent tendencies of the writer (hidden often from themselves) and expose personality traits which the writer often would rather stay hidden, would cause deep embarrassment and most often would be denied so adamantly (the “lady doth protests too much” type syndrome) by the writer that at the very least, a deep nerve has been touched off and remains exposed and raw, most often dealing directly with Deep-Seated Insecurity and the many ruses, denials, attempts at diversions and distractions; especially the constant use of the ‘reversal’ defense of directing the very trait at those conducting the study or some other externality or person (“YOU’RE the one who’s Insecure, not me!”).
We’ve all come across these kinds of people – everyone seems to know of someone who always uses Superlatives to describe what is definitely NOT “THE MOST” or “The absolute…” or “…I have EVERE seen!” or “…in the World!”. We’ve all come across those use Platitudes and Cliche’s as their primary means of expressing, as though simply copying & pasting from some big Script on their bookshelf ‘Phrases for Argument’, their go-to script for pre-packaged statements and phrases they believe are the be-all and end-all to counter all manner of argument, proven facts, etc.
These Cognitive Conservatives are, at the heart of it all, flat-out in denial and will always respond either with the equivalent of “I knew that!” or “You are wrong; I am right” as they try to prevail solely through the use of ‘piling it on’, as if all it took was the sheer weight of the language they shovel on, as if they could render themselves from In the Wrong TO In the Right by virtue of the power of their language. Unable to face or accept actually being wrong, their denial manifests in that avalanche of Hyperbole. Like I said, we all know the type – they will shovel and shovel the strongest possible language they can muster as though every argument were equally important and To Prevail were the very purpose of conducting an argument in the first place – To Prevail and To Destroy the Opponent.
They never acquiesce or admit being wrong or allow Mere facts to ever get in the way of them proving they are right. They are exhausting to argue with and half the time they do achieve a sort of victory because opponents tend to give them the roll of the eyes accompanied by the inevitable “Whatever…”. Phew!”

Con said:
“They are exhausting to argue with and half the time they do achieve a sort of victory because opponents tend to give them the roll of the eyes accompanied by the inevitable “Whatever…”. Phew!””
Wow, you’ve described yourself perfectly!
I’m not going to “argue” with you because you are clearly irrational and insufferable. Please feel free to continue to keep on just being you, the entertainment value of your blather, nonsense, hypocrisy and double-talk is priceless.
Loadstar,
I’d be interested to know how many Adults actually believe that BS you come up with vs. how many simply recognize a ‘Dodge’.
We’ve all seen it before – perhaps we should call it “The Loadstar Retreat” (humorous labels often attach to predictable behavior): ‘as he realizes he is losing another argument, The Loadstar curls up his tail and runs away, hell for leather and heading for the hills while weakly trying to cover his tracks with lame rationalizations’.
I’ve heard that Hyenas will scramble when a Lion approaches because their sneakiness has no effect (sneakiness being their primary tactic, sophistry being yours). It has become predictable – when you’re wrong and are challenged on it, instead of simply admitting it like an Adult, you pull out that weak, pre-packaged defense of yours.
I’m guessing that being a bully isn’t so fun for you these days, huh?
Con said this:
“I’d be interested to know how many Adults actually believe that BS you come up with vs. how many simply recognize a ‘Dodge’.”
Amazing! Once again, you’ve described yourself perfectly! And you whine about “bullying” and you are by far the biggest “bully” to participate here.
I’m really starting to think that you have some deep set doubts and reservations about how badly you’ve behaved here for years and you’re trying paint me as the evil monster that you know deep down inside you really are.
A very interesting little game you’re playing here con. Too bad your continued nonsense and blather is really only causing people to conclude you’re off your rocker when they had initially suspected that but weren’t sure at first. You’re pretty much removing all doubt about that these days!
Loadstar,
Let’s get this straight and stop wasting time and space.
The way you behave most of the time is not acceptable and you will not be able to function very well here if you insist on continuing. IF you don’t want to be marginalized and ignored, knock of the insults, personal attacks, etc. STOP ATTACKING THE PERSON RATHER THAN THE ARGUMENT – rather than the words on the page.
If you must rely on getting personal, you have already lost. You are alone on this issue; you will remain alone on this issue. Calling someone an ‘idiot’ is not acceptable; inserting the word ‘idiot’ or ‘dumb’ in people’s Cafe’ name all the time and it is not acceptable. Personal attacks are not acceptable.
So knock it off, already, if you want to be taken seriously. But if you insist on continuing, do us all a favor and STOP THE CONSTANT WHINING about how poorly you are treated! Grow up and take responsibility for your own behavior, because you bring it on yourself and no one is on your side on this thing, no one agrees with you and no one supports you.
I and others have asked you time and again (most recently last week) to join us all in arguing in a civil manner, which includes still being able to disagree adamantly, etc. in accordance with accepted practices of all manner of expressions and even a kind of ‘trash talk’ – but it must not be personal or insulting. Is that so difficult?
It’s accepted and acceptable to say “what you have written is not true”; it is not acceptable and won’t be accepted to say “you are a liar” or “why do you have to lie all the time?” (as someone recently pointed out, you have the be a mind reader in the first place to know that someone knows they write untruths, but even then it’s not acceptable HERE). It’s not acceptable to constantly refer to someone as “Load-moron”.
If you have no impulse control and simply cannot stop insults and personal attacks, go someplace else.
Please – call me on this by taking a poll of all other readers. Since you seem to think you speak for everyone by always making statements like “your nonsense is causing people to conclude you’re off your rocker when they had initially suspected but weren’t sure” (can you REALLY read their minds that way!?!) – then you MUST know what they think about your behavior. If you are their spokesperson, let them vote on whether Loadstar should continue with the insults and personal attacks.
Of course, we know that the real reason you’ve started ‘speaking for the group’ in your retorts is because your own word or opinion has lost all credibility (you really have gotten good at painting yourself into corners)
I am often accused of being too forgiving. It isn’t that I don’t loathe certain behaviors, but I have come to understand that human nature is full of shortcomings, no one excluded. Pointing them out can be helpful, but maybe more for myself than for those I aim at. Regardless, since I am feeling generous today, I thought that I would point out aspects of human shortcomings noted here that are best depicted through two quotes from a writer who’s insight is far greater than mine:
“Nothing is more exhilarating than philistine vulgarity.”
“The breaking of a wave cannot explain the whole sea.”
These two quotes, I believe, are quite poignant in revealing the nature of someone like Loadstar, and certainly the nature of most republicans who embrace bumper sticker-rancorous-rushlimbaugh politics. We should never give up our fight against this kind of ignorance and shortsightedness. Too much is at stake.
Thank you Con- you have more patience than I do.
cCon said this:
“The way you behave most of the time is not acceptable and you will not be able to function very well here”
And again con, you really need to look in the mirror when you levy accusations against those like me who you disagree with when you engage in exactly the same behavior you claim to find so objectionable. Your double-standards and double-talk are standard operating procedure for you and everyone here knows it except for you.
libdem, I haven’t listened to Rush Limbaugh’s show or read anything he’s written in so many years I lost track so you can stop with those lies any time now. You’re an intolerant socialist who can’t help himself which is unfortunate.
Loadstar,
I have to apologize for my absence – many days at a time I am away from a computer altogether. This cannot be helped and will continue and I hope it explains certain behavior about me.
ANYWAY – I accept full personal responsibility for every single comment I’ve ever made on the Cafe’ (I DO!) – AND NOW ASK YOU, POINT BLANK, THE FOLLWING CHALLENGING QUESTIONS (Clearly, failure of you to answer fully will be seen BY ALL as transparent – as typical ‘Dodging’, as rather cowardly. I hope you don’t chose to come across as cowardly in that regard
DOES THIS MEAN THAT YOU WILL FINALLY (FINALLY!) TAKE FULL AND COMPREHENSIVE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR OWN BEHAVIOR!?! DO YOU TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR ALL OF YOUR ACTIONS, ANTICS, TACTICS, NAME-CALLING, AD HOMINEM ATTACKS, PERSONAL ATTACKS!?!
Please: Do answer promptly; in full comprehensive detail. FULL COMPREHENSIVE DETAIL – we need to get this small matter dealt withSO WE CAN THEN MOVE ON TO ADDRESS THE FAR MORE IMPORTANT MATTERS OF JOBS, MONEY, ECONOMY, IMMIGRATION, JOBS, ECONOMY.
All the best, Fellow American
Con
Don’t take your usual cowards path, but for once FACE THIS SQUARELY AND DIRECTLY; don’t ‘Punk Out’, LOADSTAR, but ‘Man up’. I guarantee you will feel so much better and resolve this to a large extent.
I took the time to think of and write these several comments; I mean them and what they implicate – what they portend going forward. It’s actually exciting.
LOADSTAR:
WHEN you say any, any, any Statement that begins with “You are a…” IT WILL BE IGNORED for what it is: a personal insults with no possible relation to the actual discussion/Issue. That someone makes an untrue statement does not necessarily make them a LIAR. That some makes an untrue statement could have numerous reasonable explainatuoinsm only one of which is that that they are a “Liar” (or that they got facts wrong, were told incorrect Info, that they believe what Liars say, that they believe many underlying lies and assumption lies, etc., etc., ETC., ETC..,
GET IT LOADSTAR! Wow. Why do you insist on clinging to a dead issue, an issue proven wrong over and over; and issue that everyone – yes, Loadstar EVERYONE, has examined and come out against your truly half-baked opinions and analysis!?! WHY INSIST ON CLINGING TO A DEAD HORSE, LOADSTAR!?!
I will simply NOT allow you to bully, bulldoze and use sophistry to mislead Cafe’ Readers; I will absolutely provide The Truth as a competing voice against your own weak, lame and tiny voice of misleading
LOADSTAR,
Public Challenge: Your constant and cowardly DODGES to my direct, simple questions are transparent. We all see them for what they are – your inability to answer them straight-on and honestly. Period. You constantly pull out this infantile “I know you are, but what am I?” Defense. Do you truly think ANYONE falls for this?
1st, you do NOT speak for anyone here but yourself. This constant garbage talk about “everyone here knows it but you.” is flat-out untenable. WHO are these people? PROVE IT! You can only speak for yourself, but you know your word is worthless and such accusations are plain laughable. UNTIL you can prove that statement in Comment 6, you remain a marginalized Court Jester.
MORE IMPORTANTLY:
SO, let us assume that EVERYTHING you claim about me is True. In what way does that respond to what I say and claim about YOU!?!
Even if I were the person you try so weakly to portray, it is totally irrelevant to THE MERITS of each and every claim, accusation, characterization, etc. I make about you. It is all totally irrelevant to whether what I write – THE WORDS ON THE PAGE – are True and WHY you fail, each and every time, to answer my direct, simple questions.
Go back and read them all. RESPOND TO THEM DIRECTLY AS THEY RELATE TO YOU.
Do you have the guts to do that? Do you have what it takes to actually examine your own behavior and tell us all whether what I say about you is TRUE!?!
I have now painted you into a corner and your only way out is to either address it all like An Adult OR to enact your now-famous “Loadstar Retreat”. I hope for the former; the latter is bad for you in the eyes of all Readers and is bad for your credibility, your reputation as someone who either RUNS AWAY! or faces up and speaks directly to THE MERITS of those comments.
Loadstar, I have witnessed you bully, out-shout, use Sophistry, etc. against anyone here who disagrees. I stand up to you on my hind legs and challenge you directly.
I am tired of you making claims you never back-up; I’m tired of you running away from me; I’m tired of you SAYING one thing while BEHAVING another way. NOW IS YOUR CHANCE!
Why in the world would you fail to take this chance, be honest and address head-on those Merits; those direct questions requiring answers. WHY DEFLECT? Cowards do that – I don’t think you are a Coward, but the more you Dodge, Deflect and Run Away! from these challenging questions, Issues, etc. then the more you look like a Coward who CANNOT answer them; is UNABLE to face challenges and must Run Away! or be exposed as building his argument with a house of cards.
Get it, Loadstar: YOU HAVE BEEN PAINTED INTO A CORNER! How will you manage to get yourself out without looking like either a coward or as someone so totally unable (and inept) that he has no way to get self out without resorting to the silly tactic of “I know you are, but what am I?”
This is it, Loadstar – I have completely set you up whereby I asked all manner of challenging questions that you must answer in order to avoid public humiliation. Humiliation was not my goal – not at all; it was all just the last resort (because you dodges, ran, avoided, etc. all other attempts, RATHER THAN SIMPLY HAVING THE COURAGE TO ANSWER!).
I don’t like Bullies; I don’t like when people who are making valid points within a civil discussion are attacked personally and whose arguments are de-railed by a disruptive child looking for attention because he is sure that EVERYONE ELSE is wrong and only he is Right!
So, Loadstar – THIS IS IT! Everyone is watching and will JUDGE YOU on your choices and performance. Are you up to it? I think you are.
I wish you the best of luck: ANSWER all questions posed to you in my past 7-10 comments. They are easy to find, many are the same question and it’s easy to answer them HONESTLY. RESPOND to each and every accusation and charge of bad behavior, name-calling and inappropriate Cafe’ behavior. RESPOND to all challenges to your integrity. RESPOND to all challenges of YOU, employing your very best, most comprehensive responses that you can muster.
NOW IS THE TIME WHEN LOADSTAR WILL SHOW US ALL HIS VERY BEST WORK!